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Therion - Son of the Staves of Time (COMPLETE)


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#1 clintilona

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Posted September 8, 2013 - 11:56 PM

Song is complete and now posted in my thread in the "Other Customs" discussion board found here:

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#2 Nyxyxylyth

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Posted September 9, 2013 - 01:31 AM

Anyway, I'm posting this hoping to get some feedback to help me get better. I've heard a lot of authors say that they threw away their first chart because it sucked so much and I'm sure I'm well on my way towards that.

Overall: a decent first go. You'll need a pass to scrub out consonants - quite a few tubes start *way* too early, including sounds like "S" and "T". Similarly, some tubes end way too late.

I spotted one stray in the tempo map: M21 should be at 49.776 (80 ms late)

You've got every word capitalized: "Tell Us The Secret Rhyme", etc. It's okay if you want to capitalize stuff like "Son of the Staves of Time", since it's the title, and maybe other epic locations like "Heaven's Gate", but not everything.

Key:
-3/64 = start 3/64 earlier
+3/64 = start 3/64 later
3/64- = end 3/64 earlier
3/64+ = end 3/64 later

Here's up to the first bridge:

4.4.75 Ti-(F#) -3/64, 1/64-
5.4.18 des- 1/64- (if the gap is more than a semitone, it's generally 3/64 minimum)
5.4.62 + 1/64- (don't include the S sound in the tube)
6.3.31 son 2/64-
6.4.75 Son +4/64 (don't include S) - this and next 3 tubes 1/64-
8.2.31 Time 2/64-, + (-2/64)
8.4.87 Ti- -3/64, 1/64-
9.4.25 des- 2/64-
9.4.68 + +1/64, 2/64-
10.3.43 son 2/64-
10.4.87 Tell +4/64
11.2.13 us
11.4.85 rhyme(D)
20 Byr- 3/64-
21.2.25 In- 3/64-
21.4 gate(A) 3/64, +(Bb)
22.4.43 last +(F) is all you need - extend to 22.4.43
26.3 stave +4/64
26.4 runes 3/64-
27 All(A) the(A) sec-(A) ret(G#) signs(G#)
29.1.87 probably Tid- her
30.2.56 Sign© +8/64, +(D) +(Bb - start current Bb 3/64 later)
32.2 probably Id- her (also 46.2)
34 just use Ow#
35.2 most 5/64-
36.3.31 hold A to 36.3.31, then start F at 36.4.12, end at 37.1.18, then ah(D)
40.3 follower - redo timing here
41 Un-(A) til(B) heav-(A) en's(G#) gate(G#) 4/64-
44.2 sign(Eb) +(F) +(Bb)
45.4.31 tor 6/64- (chop off notes like this when it trails off to nothing in particular)
46.4 er© +(Eb)
47.3 How(Bb) +©, don't fall to G# until 47.4.75
48.4 son(G)
49.3 cient(F) Time(F) +(F#) +(A) +(G#) +(F)
51.3 ces(F)
52.3 of© your(A) line(Bb) +© +(D)

There are some tricky bits in there, particularly 52.3, but let's see how your first attempt at straightening it out goes.

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Posted September 9, 2013 - 02:10 AM

Holy cow that's quite alot of mistakes there, and that's onlly half the song! I knew I was going to have shorten/lengthen quite a bit of the notes, but didn't know my pitches were that off. I thought I could actually hear pitches well. Oh well. Do you have a better method for figuring out the pitch other than by ear? Also, was that the only error in the tempo map or did you just happen to notice that one? I ask becuase that was the part I was most worried that I screwed up.

Thank you for going through the chart so carefully. It's just what I need to keep me going on the road to improvement. Were my musical tastes not so unpopular I'd like to release through C3 sometime in the future.
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Posted September 9, 2013 - 03:26 AM

Do you have a better method for figuring out the pitch other than by ear?

Don't beat yourself up - you picked an awfully hard one to start with! There are lots of harmonics when he's doing the metal thing, and it takes practice to get it right.

Also, was that the only error in the tempo map or did you just happen to notice that one? I ask becuase that was the part I was most worried that I screwed up.

I got up to 2:50 or so in the tempo map, and that was the only off one I spotted. Good start!

Thank you for going through the chart so carefully. It's just what I need to keep me going on the road to improvement. Were my musical tastes not so unpopular I'd like to release through C3 sometime in the future.

Most welcome. I owe you that much for a couple shots of whiskey.

Popularity is definitely not a prerequisite for C3 releases. GO FOR IT!

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Posted September 9, 2013 - 07:49 AM

If you are going to do more Therion and release it I will probably marry you! :P

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Posted September 9, 2013 - 02:49 PM

I plan on making two customs on drums following the gothic style.

1 - Lacrimosa - Alleine zu zweit
2 - Within Temptation - Ice Queen

You would do the vocals of these two songs?

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Posted September 9, 2013 - 03:15 PM

You would do the vocals of these two songs?

Not so fast - I'm not done with the lessons!

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Posted September 9, 2013 - 05:40 PM

You would do the vocals of these two songs?

Not so fast - I'm not done with the lessons!


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You prune a look at my MIDI file? :sweatdrop:
I am not able to use the software "Magma". :aaa:
Message appears ERROR time I'll use it! :what:
Follows the message below!

"Build started at 13:39.
Reading the archive
SystemInit Params: C:\Program Files (x86)\Harmonix Music Systems\Magma v2\MagmaCompiler.exe -have_lock C:\Users\Rafael\Documents\GIVING IN PROJECT.rbproj C:\Users\Rafael\Documents\GIVING IN PROJECT.rba -mutex HMX_Magma_234249204219551817878
Project Compiler: Reading project 'C:\Users\Rafael\Documents\GIVING IN PROJECT.rbproj'...
Project Compiler: Entering Phase 1 of 5...
Metadata Compiler: Starting...
Metadata Compiler: Done.
Project Compiler: Entering Phase 2 of 5...
MIDI Compiler: Starting...
ERROR: MIDI Compiler: (PART DRUMS): drum mix 'drums2' at [1] supports exactly 5 (total) drum channels; this song's configuration has 2 (total) drum channels
ERROR: MIDI Compiler: (PART DRUMS): drum mix 'drums2' at [1] supports exactly 1 kick channels; this song's configuration has 0 kick channels
ERROR: MIDI Compiler: (PART DRUMS): drum mix 'drums2' at [1] supports exactly 2 snare channels; this song's configuration has 0 snare channels
ERROR: MIDI Compiler: (PART DRUMS): drum mix 'drums2' at [1] supports exactly 5 (total) drum channels; this song's configuration has 2 (total) drum channels
ERROR: MIDI Compiler: (PART DRUMS): drum mix 'drums2' at [1] supports exactly 1 kick channels; this song's configuration has 0 kick channels"

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Posted September 9, 2013 - 06:33 PM

You would do the vocals of these two songs?

Not so fast - I'm not done with the lessons!


As Nyx says, I still have to get better at vocals yet, plus learn how to chart the actual instruments as well (dreading the drums -- will not be good).

Even with that, I have alot of stuff on my own list I'd like to do and Within Temptation / Lacrimosa don't interest me at all. Therion & Nightwish are about the only two bands in that style that I enjoy.

Now if there's someone out there with an unfinished custom of a 70's, 80's rock/metal song or power metal song from any era I might consider finishing it with vocals if I knew the song... And if I get better at vox charting.
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Posted September 9, 2013 - 09:03 PM

Key:
-3/64 = start 3/64 earlier
+3/64 = start 3/64 later
3/64- = end 3/64 earlier
3/64+ = end 3/64 later


Just sat down to revisit the chart and got confused by the key. Shouldn't the -3/64 be start 3/64 later?
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Posted September 10, 2013 - 02:34 AM

Nyx,

If you get bored and want to see if your notes got through to me and my thick head, here's the updated files:

Reaper
http://www.mediafire... ... f_Time.RPP

Con
http://www.mediafire... ... ev2_rb3con

Maybe you might be able to suffer through the whole song this time (maybe even harmony parts?)? I know it's hard to listen to it.
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Posted September 10, 2013 - 02:39 AM

Maybe you might be able to suffer through the whole song this time (maybe even harmony parts?)? I know it's hard to listen to it.

Oh it's pompous, that's for sure - but it's fun on vocals, and a good fit for RB.

Gimme a couple days - backed up with the start of a new robotics year GO TEAM 469 LAS GUERRILLAS!

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Posted September 10, 2013 - 03:07 AM

Maybe you might be able to suffer through the whole song this time (maybe even harmony parts?)? I know it's hard to listen to it.

Oh it's pompous, that's for sure - but it's fun on vocals, and a good fit for RB.

Gimme a couple days - backed up with the start of a new robotics year GO TEAM 469 LAS GUERRILLAS!


No... Not pompous. I like to think of it as grandiose. Bombastic might even be acceptable.

Good luck to Las Guerrillas and I look forward to hearing your input later this week.

Thanks
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