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#101 Sideshow

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Posted October 28, 2013 - 06:44 AM

I know that Oppistioner charted Taxman and Yellow Submarine and then Columbo777 has done the rest.

#102 TrojanNemo

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Posted October 30, 2013 - 07:50 AM

Alright guys, the update is close enough that I pulled all the old links. No sense in downloading things in their current state when in the next week or so you'll have to redownload the whole thing, and trust me, you're going to want to!

TBRB IN-GAME TEST LIVE STREAM SESSION!

I plan to start the first of multiple live streamings as I test the songs in the game. This is a great opportunity for you to see what the charts look like, what the new audio sounds like, and maybe even to help me spot errors.
My aim is to start streaming at about 1PM EST. Sorry about the time inconvenience, but given our time displacement no matter what time I do it it's bound to be at the wrong time for someone. I will go for 2-4 hours, we'll see how things play out.
The stream will be on http://www.twitch.tv/trojannemo at 1PM EST unless I come back here and state a different time.

What you can expect:
- All the charts will play and audio will not mute, so we can hear the final mix
- I will not be playing any instrument myself, I'll be watching and taking notes
- I will most likely be stopping/resuming the songs if I need to stop to write down something
- I'll be on the Twitch chat but probably will not respond until the song is over. In between songs i'll copy any of your observations/comments/suggestions into my notes and all that will be processed at a later time.

I will not start streaming until I'm in The Beatles, so you won't get any looks at upcoming / unreleased material while I scroll. Sorry!

#103 HalloBillies

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Posted October 30, 2013 - 02:21 PM

When you say improved audio does that mean you're taking advantage of the unlocked 1-10 quality of oggenc in Magma or just new stems? I know the file size would be pretty big if you used quality 10 for multi-tracks, hah. Looking forward to this!

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Posted October 30, 2013 - 03:52 PM

It's a combination of 3 things:

I went back to the original stems. Prior to this update, we were using the audio found in the V5 export back in the old forums. That means those were separated from the mogg, converted into WAV files, most of them had been resampled to 48kHz, volume adjusted, etc. All of this processing introduced artifacts and led to clipping in game. Some of the songs were also missing the backing audio track altogether. Now we're using the closest that I have found to the original stems, no resampling, no enhancing, no post processing so we don't introduce artifacting.

We're using the new quality settings in Magma: C3 Roks Edition. The old V5 export was not even done in Magma at all, so I don't know what quality settings they used. All of our updates until now were done using the old Magma, so quality 3. This is using the new Magma, at the new default quality 5. It's a good compromise between file size and quality. All the songs together are about 1.6GB compared to the old 1.2GB, so not much bigger.

We're using new attenuation levels. Following the advice of our resident audio engineer, OrangeHarrison, the audio is not being volume adjusted in the actual files. Instead, we're using a default attenuation template of -3 for all the audio tracks and -8 for the crowd audio. This should only lower the overall volume by about 5% but should reduce clipping by about 95%.

Last but not least, the new songs with keys, most of them have had the key audio separated from the backing into their own stem, and a bunch of the songs also now have crowd audio for when you're performing well in the song, you'll get your own Beatles fan girl screaming at you every once in a while :)

Stream is going to happen on time. See you then.

#105 HalloBillies

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Posted October 30, 2013 - 04:12 PM

It's a combination of 3 things:

We're using new attenuation levels. Following the advice of our resident audio engineer, OrangeHarrison, the audio is not being volume adjusted in the actual files. Instead, we're using a default attenuation template of -3 for all the audio tracks and -8 for the crowd audio. This should only lower the overall volume by about 5% but should reduce clipping by about 95%.


I guess I don't understand why attenuation is a concern since the files from TB:RB were already attenuated by HMX to begin with right? Seems like the stems from TBRB should just be usable in RB3 without any altering (except for the backing track as you stated). I'm probably not taking something into account and oversimplifying :confused:

#106 TrojanNemo

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Posted November 1, 2013 - 10:55 PM

I guess I don't understand why attenuation is a concern since the files from TB:RB were already attenuated by HMX to begin with right? Seems like the stems from TBRB should just be usable in RB3 without any altering (except for the backing track as you stated). I'm probably not taking something into account and oversimplifying :confused:


You would be right if there was a way to decrypt the official moggs, then we would have a 1:1 of the original audio from the game, and I could use the DTA attenuation values from the game to match and bam. That would be freaking amazing.

Unfortunately, as far as I and everyone I am in touch with is concerned, nobody has ever cracked the decryption in those moggs, so the audio files are believed to have been recorded inline with some dta editing. Can't get into detail on how that is done, so please don't ask, but the point is that these are as close to the original stems as I could get, but they're NOT the moggs decrypted. If left as they are, they would most definitely clip in game. This method i'm using worked very well. All the initial tests were done and there were very few changes to make to the audio beyond the initial -3dB for all instruments.

With that in mind, this update is ready to roll essentially. All my initial tests are done, everything works in game, things sound good, things look good. Files are uploaded. I just got a couple of things i'm waiting on from some contributors and to figure out a new way to distribute them, since I won't be using the old website links system anymore.

I am going to be posting the files individually for a couple of weeks as I'd like to get feedback from thorough playing of the songs as I obviously can't do that for every song. Once I'm comfortable that I won't have to do any more minor fixes, I'll create another big package with all songs inside. Final file size was 1.5GB for the whole package, so not much more than the old package. :)

#107 Sideshow

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Posted November 1, 2013 - 11:28 PM

Looking forward to playing all of these songs again on Pro Drums. I'll keep an eye out for any issues although I remember some people helped you iron out some pro drum marker errors that harmonix made on certain songs back when this project was in the xbox360iso forums. Didnt you make Paper Back Writer tougher than the original chart? Not that I'm complaining. I like the new chart.

#108 sageamagoo

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Posted November 2, 2013 - 01:49 AM

I just got a couple of things i'm waiting on from some contributors and to figure out a new way to distribute them


For the record, my contribution will not be complete for a while. It's been put on the back burner while I'm working on finishing some other things for C3 and the RB:HP. Sorry :ohdear:

Still proud of these Pro Keys achievements:
Scenes From An Italian Restaurant: 

On The Backs Of Angels: 

Roundabout: 


#109 TrojanNemo

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Posted November 2, 2013 - 01:56 AM

Don't worry, your potential contributions or the upcoming (?) keys contributions by Erniewan will be added when they are received. I meant more immediate contributions already in the works. I'm aiming for sometime next week, hopefully late Tuesday or Wednesday morning.

#110 Erniewan

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Posted November 2, 2013 - 02:36 PM

Yup, definitely gonna work on more keys upgrades, but not for another week since I'm going on vacation.

Pro Keys charter here!

Beatles Discography Spreadsheet: https://docs.google....dit?usp=sharing


#111 TrojanNemo

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Posted November 7, 2013 - 02:32 AM

UPDATE!
Here's the update you've been waiting for!

WATCH THE TRAILER!
http://www.dailymoti...ZJSHaOh4jy4SjQy


WHAT IS NEW?
- 11 songs have received keys / pro keys upgrades (see below for details)
- 3 songs have received pro guitar / pro bass upgrades (see below for details)
- 3 songs have received fully customized venues
- 19 songs now have crowd sing-alongs (have Crowd Audio enabled in the game, do well, you'll have screaming fans!)

WHAT IS IMPROVED?
- all audio for all songs is fresh and attenuated to prevent clipping
- all count-ins were edited to be more audible in game
- all songs have preview times to match values in the game
- all songs have the exact album art from the game
- all songs have matching TBRB thumbnails, song ID, file names (to please the OCD in all of us)

ANYTHING ELSE?
- all songs that were only featured as 2/3 song combinations have now been separated into individual songs (are still available in their original form)
- Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band / With A Little Help From My Friend is now available as one song (previously only available individually)
- all songs are now offered as CONs rather than RAR files, so one less step for you

If that's not enough for you, well sorry!

So, where do we stand?
All songs available in the game and as DLC are now available in unprecedented quality for RB3.

If you're wondering which songs have upgrades, the spreadsheet makes it very clear: red = missing upgrade, green = already has upgrade, gray = upgrade not available.

PRO GUITAR / PRO BASS
(NEW) Do You Want to Know a Secret - columbo777
(NEW) Her Majesty - PikminGuts92
(NEW) Yellow Submarine - Oppisitioner / columbo777 
A Hard Day's Night - columbo777
Because - OrangeHarrison
Can't Buy Me Love - columbo777
Eight Days A Week - columbo777
Fixing A Hole - columbo777
I Wanna Be Your Man - columbo777
Taxman - Oppisitioner / columbo777
Ticket to Ride - columbo777

KEYS / PRO KEYS
(NEW) A Day in the Life - Erniewan
(NEW) Birthday - Erniewan
(NEW) Her Majesty - TrojanNemo
(NEW) Hey Bulldog - Erniewan
(NEW) In My Life - Erniewan
(NEW) Oh! Darling - Erniewan
(NEW) Sun King / Mean Mr. Mustard - OrangeHarrison
(NEW) While My Guitar Gently Weeps - AddyMilldike
(NEW) With A Little Help From My Friends - TrojanNemo
(NEW) The Word - Erniewan
(NEW) You Won't See Me - Erniewan
Because - OrangeHarrison

CUSTOM VENUE
(NEW) Birthday - OrangeHarrison
(NEW) Sun King / Mean Mr. Mustard - OrangeHarrison
(NEW) While My Guitar Gently Weeps - AddyMilldike
Because - OrangeHarrison
Instead of the old website system, we've now moved to a much more accessible spreadsheet system. This allows you to copy/paste all the links into a text file which you can then feed to a mass downloader.

DOWNLOAD LINK
http://beatles.keepitfishy.com

HUGE THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO CONTRIBUTED! IT WOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT YOU


This has taken a hell of a lot of work, and managing 82 songs (73 originals + the separated versions) to be consistent with each other is not an easy task. Nothing should be majorly wrong, but I expect to receive a few bug reports. I'll keep fixing songs as the reports come in :)

I will not be posting a "big pack" download. I have already made it ridiculously easy for you to create your own packs using Le Fluffie. Use it if you want a pack, and that way you have it customized exactly how YOU want it.

Enjoy. :excited:

#112 Hetz

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Posted November 7, 2013 - 03:58 AM

:excited: :excited: :excited:
:dance: :dance: :dance:

Thank you!!!!!!!!

Can't wait to play these! :)

#113 TheOreo

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Posted November 7, 2013 - 05:00 AM

Holy SHIT I'm excited for these, thank you so much!

#114 Sideshow

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Posted November 7, 2013 - 06:48 AM

Its gonna be worth it for the screaming fan girls alone. Incredible work TrojanNemo and crew! :excited:

#115 C16

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Posted November 7, 2013 - 06:51 AM

Bug report 1: The link leads to a blank page :(

#116 TrojanNemo

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Posted November 7, 2013 - 11:50 AM

That's a problem with your browser. Try a different one.

#117 Nunchuck

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Posted November 7, 2013 - 01:04 PM

Thank you. The hard work from all of you is appreciated.

#118 TrowaAyanami

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Posted November 7, 2013 - 05:26 PM

OK, magnificent job, TrojanNemo.

Although I'm running into a bit of a problem at the moment.

I deleted all the previous versions of the songs with the new versions from today, but every time I load the game up and it reads the new songs, the console keeps freezing.

I'm sure it's because I'm trying to load a lot of songs, so I'll try to put them on in small batches.

Anyway, I'm sure it will be worth it when it works because this is brilliant.

#119 TrojanNemo

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Posted November 7, 2013 - 06:06 PM

I would say delete your cache too. You'll lose the scores but it's the only way to make sure you don't have any conflicts. I have about 2920 songs, including all of these, working fine :)

#120 Hetz

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Posted November 8, 2013 - 01:13 AM

Just got done playing all the songs that have added keys....and it was awesome! Great job everyone. :excited:




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