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#1 pksage

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Posted May 24, 2013 - 02:04 PM

Blog post: May 24, 2013 – “Under Cover” week! 6-pack of famous covers + 3 more!

Use this thread to provide feedback or report issues on any of the following songs:
  • Angra - "Wuthering Heights" (by Kate Bush)
  • Bonnie Tyler - "Have You Ever Seen the Rain" (by CCR)
  • The Damned - "Eloise" (by Barry Ryan/Paul Ryan)
  • Faith No More - "Easy" (by Lionel Richie)
  • Gary Jules - "Mad World" (by Tears for Fears)
  • Hugo Montenegro - "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" (from the film, composed by Ennio Morricone)
  • Pantera - "Planet Caravan" (by Black Sabbath)
  • Sinead O’Connor - "Nothing Compares 2 U" (by Prince/The Family)
  • William Shatner - "Common People" (by Pulp)


#2 espher

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Posted May 24, 2013 - 02:14 PM

A+ week, would play on vocals again.

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#3 MFX

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Posted May 24, 2013 - 02:32 PM

Great release theme idea, guys!

"Easy" wasn't originally on the Angel Dust album, so that rankles me as a purist, but it's classic FNM so I'll take it! :) Thanks!

Besides, it's "easy" enough to crack open the con and change the metadata ourselves. Gotta have that classic cover art from the single! :D

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Posted May 24, 2013 - 04:33 PM

Great release theme idea, guys!
Gotta have that classic cover art from the single! :D

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... I can't picture this song being rated "Family Friendly" with that... erm, suggestive cover.
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Posted May 24, 2013 - 06:54 PM

Awesome single artwork!

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Posted May 24, 2013 - 07:50 PM

Awesome single artwork!


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#7 C16

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Posted May 24, 2013 - 08:35 PM

Great release theme idea, guys!

"Easy" wasn't originally on the Angel Dust album, so that rankles me as a purist, but it's classic FNM so I'll take it! :) Thanks!

Besides, it's "easy" enough to crack open the con and change the metadata ourselves. Gotta have that classic cover art from the single! :D

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Personally, album release>single release when applicable, unless the album release is separated by more than 5 years. Obviously, this one's a bit more tricky, but I'll stick with the album release version.

Question about the songs this week that had previously been released (Easy, Mad World, Have You Ever Seen The Rain and Common People), have these been upgraded in any way from those original releases?

#8 Farottone

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Posted May 24, 2013 - 09:22 PM

I’m gonna clarify what’s in this release. 3 songs are brand new. 3 were released a long time ago and had serious faults. Mad World is a vocals and piano song that had bad vocals and no pro keys. Easy had no pro keys, rough guitar and wrong tempo map (it was double the correct tempo). Have You Ever Seen the Rain was in good shape but still missing pro keys, the most prominent part of the song. That’s why the redone versions of these songs are all in a single pack, while Nyx’s songs, which were perfect to begin with, are FtV. If you have those 3 songs and like them, do redownload them!

#9 C16

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Posted May 24, 2013 - 09:55 PM

Thanks for the clarification! In the future, any songs in the main release that you might have previously release are probably reworked, while vault songs are older releases getting the spotlight on them, correct?

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Posted May 24, 2013 - 11:08 PM

Thanks for the clarification! In the future, any songs in the main release that you might have previously release are probably reworked, while vault songs are older releases getting the spotlight on them, correct?


Actually that's a matter of internal discussion. FtV songs are songs we released before the Rapture. Now, C3 standards are higher than some of us had before we got together. So, Nyx's songs are as good as they can be, while mine aren't, in example. To be releases through C3, any song has got to meet those requirements, so basically most of the FtV songs have been and will be reworked. In example, I added pro keys to Paradise City, and I fix all my vocals songs one more time, and those GnR songs were FtV.

In theory, then, any previously released song is FtV, only unreleased songs should be in weekly release batch. However, this week we had a pack about covers AND we had an old pack of covers wtih songs that would have been heavily retooled. So, instead of having a Great Covers 01 pack FtV and one Great Covers 02 as weekly release, we built them together. Since we shoot for at least 3 new songs, having a 6-pack with 3 previously released, but fundamentally different, songs was deemed kosher. We will probably do that again for one song in the future.

#11 C16

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Posted May 24, 2013 - 11:40 PM

Great to know you guys are really dedicating the high standards!

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Posted May 25, 2013 - 02:27 AM

I love theme weeks. I really really love theme weeks. Probably my favorite early harmonix thing was theme packs. Keep doing this, please.
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#13 RyanHYK

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Posted May 25, 2013 - 08:35 AM

So, here's my feedback on the songs I downloaded. A lot of it is probably just me being nitpicky (hell, I playtested for the network, nitpicking is second nature), but other stuff are is definitely eyebrow raising.

Wuthering Heights
-Vocals have a good deal of capitalization errors.
-Closing solo has HO/PO'd notes that follow the HO/PO'd note of the same color (a HO/PO'd blue after a HO/PO'd blue, if you will). Thing with the force HO/PO on note is that it makes every note under it (every note) HO/PO'd, even those two notes of the same color that are right next to each other. So seriously, watch out for those.
-According to a video I saw on the net, the keyboardist avatar only plays in the intro and nowhere else. Sorta like "Hey, we're playing 'Wuthring Heights,' we're awwww screw it, we're just Ashlee Simpsoning you."

Easy
-In the spoken word intro, "baby" and "ladies" are listed as single syllable words.
-The vocalist is in idle the entire time.
-Metal. ...Metal? ...Metal. This is about as metal as "(Funky) Sex Farm" and "Cups and Cakes." And if you're gonna use those as examples as to not needing to be metal to be charted as metal, that statement only holds water if the band's been called metal before, and Faith No More's release history has been rock, rock, alternative, and rock.

Have You Ever Seen the Rain?
-First verse has two "its" that should be "it's".
-Drummer is playing an entire disco beat with his right hand. This is really just sad, since the drums are the easiest instrument to animate accurately. For crying out loud, the drummer hits the ride on a blue that should be an open hat.

So, that's everything I could spot right away. Glad to see you broke the habit of leaving a drum sing-along note out of the Venue MIDI for places where there should really only be one singer, because as someone who got start in the network as an authoring group's venue guy, that bothered the crap outta me. But again, a lot of these pretty simple mistakes lead me to believe these are largely first drafts. And first drafts are almost never gonna be gold. Something you should do is see the song in game for yourself before deciding whether it's good enough to throw out. Often times, you're your best judge, and seeing the song in action can be your best way of judging it.

...seriously, metal?
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Posted May 25, 2013 - 10:48 AM

Wuthering Heights
-Vocals have a good deal of capitalization errors.
-Closing solo has HO/PO'd notes that follow the HO/PO'd note of the same color (a HO/PO'd blue after a HO/PO'd blue, if you will). Thing with the force HO/PO on note is that it makes every note under it (every note) HO/PO'd, even those two notes of the same color that are right next to each other. So seriously, watch out for those.
-According to a video I saw on the net, the keyboardist avatar only plays in the intro and nowhere else. Sorta like "Hey, we're playing 'Wuthring Heights,' we're awwww screw it, we're just Ashlee Simpsoning you."


Weird about capitalization, I remember correcting all of those but my Reaper project still shows the problem. I don't know what happened. I can only find one same note HOPO, the very last note of the song. Is that what you were referring to? Pro Keys are missing the play event, yes. It was mentioned to me but somehow I forgot to add that in, I see now.

Easy
-In the spoken word intro, "baby" and "ladies" are listed as single syllable words.
-The vocalist is in idle the entire time.
-Metal. ...Metal? ...Metal. This is about as metal as "(Funky) Sex Farm" and "Cups and Cakes." And if you're gonna use those as examples as to not needing to be metal to be charted as metal, that statement only holds water if the band's been called metal before, and Faith No More's release history has been rock, rock, alternative, and rock.


I'm not even gonna comment on the genre, frankly. Considering that Wikipedia has the reissue album the song comes from marked as alternative metal, that's a level of nitpicking I can do without.

Sorry about the idle event, I must have missed something in reviewing. I thought for spoken words, if there's really no space between the syllables, the complete word works better in terms of scoring, but maybe I've always got that wrong.

Have You Ever Seen the Rain?
-First verse has two "its" that should be "it's".
-Drummer is playing an entire disco beat with his right hand. This is really just sad, since the drums are the easiest instrument to animate accurately. For crying out loud, the drummer hits the ride on a blue that should be an open hat.

So, that's everything I could spot right away. Glad to see you broke the habit of leaving a drum sing-along note out of the Venue MIDI for places where there should really only be one singer, because as someone who got start in the network as an authoring group's venue guy, that bothered the crap outta me. But again, a lot of these pretty simple mistakes lead me to believe these are largely first drafts. And first drafts are almost never gonna be gold. Something you should do is see the song in game for yourself before deciding whether it's good enough to throw out. Often times, you're your best judge, and seeing the song in action can be your best way of judging it.

...seriously, metal?


Thanks for the overall condescending tone, you will understand that I couldn't have appreciated it more.

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Posted May 25, 2013 - 12:28 PM

stuff...


you know, there's a way and a place to say things, and you seem to have misplaced them. we don't pay you and you don't pay us. feedback is certainly appreciated, but next time take out the stick from your ass.

i'm the one who does farottone's animations, so whatever went wrong with this release is on me. I don't know when the hell I did the bonnie tyler song because for a LONG time now all the songs i've done have alternating hands....actually, I see when it was. May 10 of 2012, when I was still very green at this.

you are right though, this should have been caught in playtesting. but try to read back to yourself your comments before putting them online next time.

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Posted May 26, 2013 - 07:20 PM

Hey sounds like he just wants a job play testings. And maybe you guys shouldn't be going to the vault so soon with the old stuff, unless you actually treat it like it's new. If it's to keep the volume of songs up on Friday, don't bother unless it's perfect. It's not going to work if only one person is giving us packs of old and new, and occasionally someone else releases another song. The pressure of large Friday releases is not worth it. Just naturally let releases flow. Don't force it. Know what I'm saying?

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Posted May 26, 2013 - 07:37 PM

Hey sounds like he just wants a job play testings. And maybe you guys shouldn't be going to the vault so soon with the old stuff, unless you actually treat it like it's new. If it's to keep the volume of songs up on Friday, don't bother unless it's perfect. It's not going to work if only one person is giving us packs of old and new, and occasionally someone else releases another song. The pressure of large Friday releases is not worth it. Just naturally let releases flow. Don't force it. Know what I'm saying?


Not entirely sure, actually. :) As we explained, the reason why we did a pack of new and old stuff is because the old stuff got a huge revamp, between pro keys added, fixed vocals, new tempo mapping, etc. AND we wanted to do a single cover pack. If you're worried we're diluting stuff, we're not, we are almost always *over* our self-imposed minimum of 3 new songs per week and we'll be for the near future. Also, it's amazing how many people don't actually have some of the songs we released as individuals: some FtV releases are more downloaded than the new ones.

The issues these songs have are simply due to oversights on my part and are not actually related to old or new releases or to volume, it's just that sometimes you think you've done your due diligence and you have not (I signed off on these songs 2 weeks ago, so it's not about lack of time). The fixed versions should up by tonight anyway, sorry for the inconvenience.

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Posted May 26, 2013 - 11:20 PM

Good to hear! What about the week of Led Zepplin? I remember reporting that Kashmir's lip sync seemed way off and High and Dry's guitar/bass animations were almost completely missing.

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Posted May 26, 2013 - 11:43 PM

Good to hear! What about the week of Led Zepplin? I remember reporting that Kashmir's lip sync seemed way off and High and Dry's guitar/bass animations were almost completely missing.


Dry vox is one of those things that have a very low amount of work/benefits coefficient, I'm sorry but it's not an issue that for me warrants a re-release. I don't know the status of High and Dry though, I'll check.

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Posted May 28, 2013 - 06:24 PM

The fixed versions should up by tonight anyway, sorry for the inconvenience.



Hey Farrottone, did the fixed versions go up yet?




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