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Tips for Overdrive Phrases and Unison Phrases?


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#1 Oktoberfest

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Posted June 22, 2020 - 05:24 PM

I finally got my custom almost entirely done, I just need to place the overdrives where they need to be, can someone help me on the phrases? Especially the Unisons  :sigh:



#2 EchoOfMystery

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Posted June 22, 2020 - 06:19 PM

What seems to be the trouble?



#3 jerrylive365

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Posted June 24, 2020 - 12:35 AM

If you have not already, I highly recommend you watch the entire video in this link. https://www.youtube....eature=emb_logo

For what I am trying to explain I have the link saved at the appropriate moment, but if not go to 16 minutes and play from there. Again, if you haven't already you should watch the entire thing as it has great information in there.

After you watch that, read this (if you haven't already)...  http://docs.c3univer...Vocal_Authoring  Another excellent source of information.

 

Unison phrases happen when instruments have an overdrive opportunity at the same time. Doesn't have to be ALL instruments at the same time, but its cooler =)

 

Hope any of that helps in some way! Good luck =)



#4 bsbloom

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Posted June 24, 2020 - 10:29 AM

Here's my approach, in steps.

 

1.  Place an overdrive marker at measure 8, over the guitar.  The marker should cover the entire measure.

2.  Copy it, and paste another copy at measure 18, 28, and so on.  One marker every ten measures.

3.  Play through the guitar chart on reaper, and see if you like the overdrive.  Move things around a  bit, until you are happy.  At some points, you might make the overdrive larger, or  smaller.  So, you might decide the overdrive works better at measure 35.5, and should run until the beginning of measure 37. 

4.  Now click on the first marker, hit v to highlight all of those markers.  Hit control c to copy all of those markers.  Go to each other instrument, and paste those markers.  The result, you have the same (unison) overdrive markers in every instrument.

5.  Go through each instrument, and delete markers that appear over parts with no notes.  For most instruments, there are notes throughout the song, but, with keys, say, you will often have sections where the other instruments are playing while the keys are idle.

6.  You want approximately half of the overdrive sections in unison, the same on every instrument being played.  Decide which sections you want to stay as unison.  Most of the time, you will simply alternate, so measure 8 is unison, measure 18 not, and so on.  If there is no keys at measure 28, I might keep that as a unison phrase for three instruments only, or I might keep measure 18 in unison, and move markers for measure 28.

7.  On the measures that should not be unison, go to each instrument, and move the marker over.  I will, typically, move drums two measures to the left, keys one to the left, bass one to the right.  Again, use the song as a guide, it may be better to place the overdrive differently in some sections.

8.  Now you are done.  Overdrive markers for each instrument, nearly half are unison. 



#5 Shroud

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Posted June 24, 2020 - 01:41 PM

Here are the official RBN authoring guidelines for overdrive:

 

http://docs.c3univer...ig_Rock_Endings

http://docs.c3univer...drive_Authoring

 

Although I must say, I am not a huge fan, there are a few things I am lukewarm about:

 

- ideally, overdrive and unisons should target interesting parts of the songs for each or all instruments, but RBN rules will just encourage you to put them in a way that satisfy the same rules, not the actual song... the RBN docs even use words such as "formula" and "mathematically"

 

- unisons and overdrive get about the same focus, but without overdrives you lose a whole game feature (activating multipliers), without unisons you lose almost nothing, overdrives are definitely more important... I would not sweat over getting 50% of overdrives to be unisons

 

- one measure length for an overdrive means very few notes at mid-fast tempo, this happens especially for bass and (non-piano) keys in many songs, I would say that two measures overdrive is a better default rather than the exception, and I would not be against even longer ones if necessary

 

I like @bsbloom suggestion to "test" your overdrives in Reaper using the real-time lanes visualizer FX. Follow your feelings more than the rules (obviously don't break the "hard" rules though, those which are required by Magma), and keep in mind that RBN rules are for commercial customs, but we can do better than that! :)



#6 Oktoberfest

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Posted July 2, 2020 - 06:59 PM

Here's my approach, in steps.

 

1.  Place an overdrive marker at measure 8, over the guitar.  The marker should cover the entire measure.

2.  Copy it, and paste another copy at measure 18, 28, and so on.  One marker every ten measures.

3.  Play through the guitar chart on reaper, and see if you like the overdrive.  Move things around a  bit, until you are happy.  At some points, you might make the overdrive larger, or  smaller.  So, you might decide the overdrive works better at measure 35.5, and should run until the beginning of measure 37. 

4.  Now click on the first marker, hit v to highlight all of those markers.  Hit control c to copy all of those markers.  Go to each other instrument, and paste those markers.  The result, you have the same (unison) overdrive markers in every instrument.

5.  Go through each instrument, and delete markers that appear over parts with no notes.  For most instruments, there are notes throughout the song, but, with keys, say, you will often have sections where the other instruments are playing while the keys are idle.

6.  You want approximately half of the overdrive sections in unison, the same on every instrument being played.  Decide which sections you want to stay as unison.  Most of the time, you will simply alternate, so measure 8 is unison, measure 18 not, and so on.  If there is no keys at measure 28, I might keep that as a unison phrase for three instruments only, or I might keep measure 18 in unison, and move markers for measure 28.

7.  On the measures that should not be unison, go to each instrument, and move the marker over.  I will, typically, move drums two measures to the left, keys one to the left, bass one to the right.  Again, use the song as a guide, it may be better to place the overdrive differently in some sections.

8.  Now you are done.  Overdrive markers for each instrument, nearly half are unison. 

Thx so much for the help! I'm gonna release the custom just shortly! Again... Thanks for the advice!  :haw:  :rock:






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