Jump to content

Avatar

XBOX360 RB3 Pro Drums recomendations


  • Please log in to reply
45 replies to this topic

#21 rubydanger

rubydanger
  • 201 posts

Posted June 1, 2020 - 05:47 AM

I am getting frustrated.  I keep double hitting the toms - I am assuming it is registering the mesh and the rim.  I have the sensitivity set as low as it can go but cannot find a way to simply disable the rim.  


Proud member of SomeOldGuys collab group - see our WIP here

Video on how I tempo map

Beginners Vocal charting video


#22 Shroud

Shroud
  • 502 posts
  • Location
    EU

Posted June 1, 2020 - 08:28 AM

Does it happen only in the game or also when you play the eDrums by themselves?

I also have a problem that might be related to sensitivity or cross-talk: I seem to miss a lot of snare notes when they are combined with hihats. I thought I just had a bad/old snare sensor, but when I have snare only or snare + toms/crash, it seems snare notes are detected properly even when hitting VERY softly :/ Anybody else has this issue? I haven't actually tested this outside the game yet, but I was wondering if it's has something to do with snare and hihat being mounted close to each other.

#23 hardcoredrummer

hardcoredrummer
  • 236 posts

Posted June 1, 2020 - 03:19 PM

probably have to look at the sensitivity settings and cross talk settings...

also there is a sensitivity wheel on the mpa itself that works as well...



#24 rubydanger

rubydanger
  • 201 posts

Posted June 3, 2020 - 07:27 AM

Didn't know about the midi adapter sensitivity, that did indeed help but I still have an issue.

 

I actually had a spot where there were no drums, as I was waiting for the next hit, I lost my multiplier so I definitely have an issue, will play with settings over the weekend.


Proud member of SomeOldGuys collab group - see our WIP here

Video on how I tempo map

Beginners Vocal charting video


#25 hardcoredrummer

hardcoredrummer
  • 236 posts

Posted June 3, 2020 - 04:47 PM

Didn't know about the midi adapter sensitivity, that did indeed help but I still have an issue.

 

I actually had a spot where there were no drums, as I was waiting for the next hit, I lost my multiplier so I definitely have an issue, will play with settings over the weekend.

yeah if you have some pads turned down and then turn the wheel on the mpa down it will turn some off as it turns them all down together same amount....i mentioned cross talk only because the vibrations in the rack and trigger events somtimes. at least for my yamaha kit but it's not mesh...i would think mess is more sensitive.



#26 Shroud

Shroud
  • 502 posts
  • Location
    EU

Posted June 3, 2020 - 06:43 PM

Didn't know about the midi adapter sensitivity, that did indeed help but I still have an issue.

 

I actually had a spot where there were no drums, as I was waiting for the next hit, I lost my multiplier so I definitely have an issue, will play with settings over the weekend.

 

So do you mean that you were hot hitting anything, but the game somehow registered a hit? That would sound to me like the sensitivity was too high, in the sense that it was catching very small vibrations even when not hitting.

 

I am not even sure if sensitivity and cross-talk can be adjusted separately (in the eDrums brain I suppose, since there is only one wheel on the MPA).

 

Intuitively, I would guess that cross-talk occurs when you hit a pad, and the vibration is caught also by the sensor of another pad which you didn't hit. Lowering the sensitivity should help in that case, because the second sensor would now require a stronger vibration to register a hit. However, with a lower sensitivity you may now need to hit the first pad stronger, although this perhaps only means you can't play too quietly.

 

My problem instead would suggest to actually increase the sensitivity, since in my case the snare fails to register a hit sometimes. But what I noticed, is that I can hit the snare VERY quietly and hits always register, unless I also hit the hihat at the same time... So I was wondering if there might be anything in the eDrums brain which is trying to actually prevent cross-talk by ignoring a hit on the snare when the nearest element (hihat) is hit, assuming that if the snare hit is not strong enough then it might be cross-talk.



#27 hardcoredrummer

hardcoredrummer
  • 236 posts

Posted June 3, 2020 - 07:29 PM

 

So do you mean that you were hot hitting anything, but the game somehow registered a hit? That would sound to me like the sensitivity was too high, in the sense that it was catching very small vibrations even when not hitting.

 

I am not even sure if sensitivity and cross-talk can be adjusted separately (in the eDrums brain I suppose, since there is only one wheel on the MPA).

 

Intuitively, I would guess that cross-talk occurs when you hit a pad, and the vibration is caught also by the sensor of another pad which you didn't hit. Lowering the sensitivity should help in that case, because the second sensor would now require a stronger vibration to register a hit. However, with a lower sensitivity you may now need to hit the first pad stronger, although this perhaps only means you can't play too quietly.

 

My problem instead would suggest to actually increase the sensitivity, since in my case the snare fails to register a hit sometimes. But what I noticed, is that I can hit the snare VERY quietly and hits always register, unless I also hit the hihat at the same time... So I was wondering if there might be anything in the eDrums brain which is trying to actually prevent cross-talk by ignoring a hit on the snare when the nearest element (hihat) is hit, assuming that if the snare hit is not strong enough then it might be cross-talk.

yeah my yamaha kit does that. you set it up in the brain to ignore hits from other drums at what is probably milliseconds or something after so the initial hit so that vibrations etc doesn't count as a hit. also you can have it ignore other pads too that you hit at the same time. that could be the issue. you can also assign an order of importance for pads trumping other pads when hit at the same time etc. but i'm not sure with your module if you can do this



#28 Shroud

Shroud
  • 502 posts
  • Location
    EU

Posted June 3, 2020 - 08:19 PM

yeah my yamaha kit does that. you set it up in the brain to ignore hits from other drums at what is probably milliseconds or something after so the initial hit so that vibrations etc doesn't count as a hit. also you can have it ignore other pads too that you hit at the same time. that could be the issue. you can also assign an order of importance for pads trumping other pads when hit at the same time etc. but i'm not sure with your module if you can do this


Thanks for the tip, I'll check out my module instructions.

#29 rubydanger

rubydanger
  • 201 posts

Posted June 8, 2020 - 05:10 AM

Printed colored cymbal knobs and Tom cap covers

 

dkxzz2tc7jc9rs6zg.jpg

 

deifoldjj1kcwdlzg.jpg

 

jhq6snrsbudfvk1zg.jpg


Proud member of SomeOldGuys collab group - see our WIP here

Video on how I tempo map

Beginners Vocal charting video


#30 hardcoredrummer

hardcoredrummer
  • 236 posts

Posted June 9, 2020 - 04:39 PM

Putting that 3d printer to work nice. Do you actually like playing in that rb drum kit setup? Move the snare below the toms...lol

Also what arcade game is that in the background? 



#31 Shroud

Shroud
  • 502 posts
  • Location
    EU

Posted June 9, 2020 - 06:29 PM

Ooo... cool pics, now we can spy a bit more on you rubydanger :D Lots of clues...

- you also play Guitar Hero (shame!)
- you live in a fairly hot country/state
- you play MAME games
- you dabble a bit in DIY electronics
- you practice martial arts, songahm taekwondo?
- you drink whiskey

Did I get anything wrong? Hope you don't mind, it's just for fun ;)

Cool idea by the way, the colored pads/cymbals markers!

#32 Alternity

Alternity
  • 1,201 posts

Posted June 9, 2020 - 09:08 PM

Overhits are often caused by cross-talk.

I don't know about the Nitro, but the Forge has a cross-talk setting for each pad, make it as low as possible. When you play music you want cross-talk, but for rock band, you absolutely don't want that to happen. Cross-talk is basically faint sounds from other pads to make sound more like a real kit, but in the case of rock band this sends MIDI data that you don't want to be sent.

There is also the possibility of the frame of the kit not being solid enough (moving around) and that could cause some other pads to trigger when you hit one, that's also a thing to look for.



#33 pumpkinpie

pumpkinpie
  • 205 posts

Posted June 9, 2020 - 10:57 PM

Ooo... cool pics, now we can spy a bit more on you rubydanger :D Lots of clues...

- you also play Guitar Hero (shame!)
- you live in a fairly hot country/state
- you play MAME games
- you dabble a bit in DIY electronics
- you practice martial arts, songahm taekwondo?
- you drink whiskey

Did I get anything wrong? Hope you don't mind, it's just for fun ;)

Cool idea by the way, the colored pads/cymbals markers!

 

looks like 3 TV's so maybe a sports fan to watch multiple games at once ?

 

Nice setup though !!



#34 rubydanger

rubydanger
  • 201 posts

Posted June 10, 2020 - 02:31 AM

- you also play Guitar Hero (shame!)
- you live in a fairly hot country/state
- you play MAME games
- you dabble a bit in DIY electronics
- you practice martial arts, songahm taekwondo?
- you drink whiskey
 

Lol, Ok let's see

 

1) Yes - I have been a guitar hero this entire time, I only just started playing Rock Band in February of this year.

2) California

3) Yes I love my MAME cabinet.  Built it all myself - well the controller is a modified TankStick

4) More than dabble a bit!!

5) Daughter is a 3rd degree blackbelt in Tae Kwon Do

6) You missed that the whiskey bottle is sitting on my kegarator

 

This is my hard work man cave I have been building for the last 2 years.  I will be cleaning it up here for a little get together next weekend, will take some pics.

 

Fuggnutz gave me some great advice for my ekit tuning.  Turned out most of my issues were solved by adjusting the threshold settings.  Finally got my first FC without losing my mulitplier today - granted on medium but I've only had the kit 2 weeks.  :D


Proud member of SomeOldGuys collab group - see our WIP here

Video on how I tempo map

Beginners Vocal charting video


#35 Shroud

Shroud
  • 502 posts
  • Location
    EU

Posted June 10, 2020 - 07:11 AM

Lol, Ok let's see
3) Yes I love my MAME cabinet.  Built it all myself - well the controller is a modified TankStick
:D


Awesome!!

#36 Kaktusdude

Kaktusdude
  • 65 posts
  • Location
    Canton, GA

Posted June 21, 2020 - 10:10 PM

I have the alesis DM6.  I had the double hit issue.  Unless I missed it, there was no cross talk adjustment. I came across something in my search that lead me to loosen it up a bit.  i.e. anything from the nuts holding down the cymbals to allowing some play in the cables.  It seemed to help.  Hope it makes sense.



#37 rubydanger

rubydanger
  • 201 posts

Posted June 22, 2020 - 12:07 AM

Fug taught me about the threshold setting, and that seemed to fix my issues for the most part.  I needed to raise my threshold settings - threshold determines how hard you need to hit it to register.  Mine was so lo, the wind would register a hit (not literally)


Proud member of SomeOldGuys collab group - see our WIP here

Video on how I tempo map

Beginners Vocal charting video


#38 Kaktusdude

Kaktusdude
  • 65 posts
  • Location
    Canton, GA

Posted June 22, 2020 - 12:28 PM

Sadly with my crew, its kind of hard to distinguish between sucky drumming and phantom hits - lol.

 

I just bought a Nitro "brain" unit to swap for my DM6 brain so I can bypass using a laptop to the midi controller.  Nice to know that there may be some more options for tweaking...

 

I like those colored heads you printed.  Are they fluorescent?   I painted mine, but a bit sloppy and wish I could "do-over"WVOriAy.jpg



#39 Shroud

Shroud
  • 502 posts
  • Location
    EU

Posted June 23, 2020 - 07:54 AM

I managed to fix my own issue about missing snares too. It was as simple as reading the manual really, something I notoriously don't :D Even my 30e drumset has a setting for crosstalk cancellation, so I turned it down for the snare pad, and now all my snare hits register fine. Well except those when I actually make a playing mistake myself, obviously :)



#40 hardcoredrummer

hardcoredrummer
  • 236 posts

Posted June 24, 2020 - 01:51 AM

is the midi pro adapter still in high in demand? i found a bunch

 

how are you guys liking your mesh drums?

i'm thinking about getting a mesh roland snare...thoughts?

been playing rubber for so long






0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users