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#1 Shroud

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Posted April 25, 2020 - 08:25 AM

Does it make sense to chart harmonies when for the entire* duration of a song the additional vocalist(s) is singing exactly the same notes as the main singer, but there are clearly 2 different voices audible (so not the same singer recording twice to boost the sound)?

*including when the harmonies are only in some parts (e.g. chorus), the point here being when there is never a part where the harmonies are different from the main vocals

What is your choice in such a situation:

1) ignore harmonies and chart only the main vocal track
2) chart harm tracks even if identical to the main vocal track
3) chart harm tracks at a different octave (even if truly sang at the same octave)

#2 SanicStudios

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Posted April 25, 2020 - 11:49 AM

2. If the voice is there, chart it. That's my rule.



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Posted April 25, 2020 - 02:35 PM

2. If that's how it truly is, then that's how it's truly charted.

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#4 EchoOfMystery

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Posted April 25, 2020 - 05:43 PM

2. This, unless it is clearly two layers of the same vocalist, IMO.



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Posted April 25, 2020 - 06:51 PM

2, chart it as it is


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#6 Atruejedi

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Posted April 25, 2020 - 09:04 PM

If the voices are distinct, make it two separate parts of exactly the same notes. If it's just the lead singer layered on top of himself, nope, don't bother duplicating it.

 

Never do option 3. Ick. Great way to break combo.


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#7 SanicStudios

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Posted April 27, 2020 - 06:29 PM

Never do option 3. Ick. Great way to break combo.

There are genuine times where you'd have to do this when the voices are an octave apart. I agree though, very easy way to mess up, especially if you have three people going for perfect harmony / 100% on a colour each and they get messed up because they get moved to a different part



#8 Atruejedi

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Posted April 27, 2020 - 10:36 PM

There are genuine times where you'd have to do this when the voices are an octave apart.

 

Can you give me an example? Because if two players are singing the same notes an octave apart, the game doesn't care.


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Posted May 2, 2020 - 04:07 PM

Option 1 could be considered taking the easy way out, since putting the HARM2 section wouldn't be that difficult. Option 3 is... yuck. So I'd say Option 2 is your best bet. It's what I'd do given the situation.

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#10 Shroud

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Posted May 27, 2020 - 03:31 PM

If the voices are distinct, make it two separate parts of exactly the same notes. If it's just the lead singer layered on top of himself, nope, don't bother duplicating it.

 

Never do option 3. Ick. Great way to break combo.

 

All right, now I seem to have the opposite problem here :)

 

What if two singers are actually singing an octave apart... does it break combo if I chart them like that? Does the game manage to separate one singer at the lower octave from the other at the higher octave, or will it mess them up? If that's the case, should I instead chart both at the same octave?



#11 Atruejedi

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Posted May 27, 2020 - 07:19 PM

All right, now I seem to have the opposite problem here :)

 

What if two singers are actually singing an octave apart... does it break combo if I chart them like that? Does the game manage to separate one singer at the lower octave from the other at the higher octave, or will it mess them up? If that's the case, should I instead chart both at the same octave?

 

Yes, chart them at the same octave. Otherwise, the game may sometimes swap you from HARM1 to HARM2 and vice versa, so you'll only fill half of each bar, even though you were singing the correct notes the whole time. The game doesn't "track" you based on initial starting octave, so having the same notes an octave a part is a recipe for combo-breaking and rage-quitting.


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