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#1 Plygon

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Posted January 1, 2020 - 07:05 PM

Hi everyone,

 

I'm pretty new to charting songs, and I'm wondering how nuanced the tempo map should be. For context, I'm working on a song that almost keeps a consistent tempo through the whole thing. I try to line up all the drum transients to the grid, but there are a few measures where the drums are a bit ahead, and then a few measures where they are a bit behind (At a max of about 20ms in both directions). Should I tweak the tempo throughout the song to match it better, or should i just keep it constant?

 

Thanks.



#2 rubydanger

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Posted January 1, 2020 - 07:50 PM

You will want a more experienced author to chime in but I have always found the more accurate the tempo map, the more accurate the chart.  Especially if you are doing multiple instruments.


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#3 Charting Team

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Posted January 1, 2020 - 07:54 PM

You should add tempo markers for those specific time changes.

#4 Shroud

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Posted January 1, 2020 - 08:14 PM

Does it look like the original drummer is being sloppy on an occasional SINGLE measure? In that case I don't think it's good to follow his sloppiness, but instead it's better to chart it the way it was supposed to be played. So when the player reaches that point, if he follows the rhythm by ear he'll play correctly. It's supposed to be a rhythmic game after all more than a visual shoot em up :)

But if the original drummer is purposefully sloppy then the chart may probably be just as sloppy. However when this happens there is usually some consistency in when the sloppy beat occurs, it's not just a random point.

On the other hand, if the whole band slows down or speeds up for MORE than one measure, then I would definitely follow the tempo changes.

#5 Plygon

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Posted January 1, 2020 - 08:22 PM

Thanks a lot!

It looks like I'll be adding the tempo changes. It's always many measures at a time.



#6 Alternity

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Posted January 1, 2020 - 08:22 PM

20ms is a significant gap between the tempo map and the actual audio cue. Personally, I would at least make sure every beats are tempo mapped if necessary, though for Rock Band, a higher resolution is not really needed, except for rare special cases.



#7 ManicPixieGirl

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Posted January 1, 2020 - 08:48 PM

Tweak the tempo. But that's your choice, we have songs that work out ok even with the wrong time measures like Prince - Let's Go Crazy. 



#8 Plygon

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Posted January 1, 2020 - 09:04 PM

I just did half of the song matching every beat, and the drum part looks much better now! It's amazing what a few miliseconds will do.

 

I'm afraid, though, that now the other parts might feel off. If the drummer hits the drum a little early now, won't that make the other instruments feel too early, since they're all on the same tempo map?



#9 yabarnian

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Posted January 1, 2020 - 11:13 PM

Can you tell us what's the song you're authoring? We might help you better that way.

#10 Alternity

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Posted January 2, 2020 - 01:19 AM

The drum is 99.9999% of the time the metronome of the group, so I wouldn't worry about that to be honest.



#11 Plygon

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Posted January 2, 2020 - 04:27 PM



Can you tell us what's the song you're authoring? We might help you better that way.

 

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#12 yabarnian

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Posted January 3, 2020 - 02:20 AM

 

It's Ruler of Everything by Tally hall

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I just listened to the song. I hope that when you said "almost keeps a consistent tempo through the whole thing" you where referring to the middle section, because that's a MAJOR BPM change. The song is about 83 BPM but it changes to 130 BPM in the middle section. Then it goes back to 83. You should place a tempo marker every four beats for a good tempo map.



#13 Plygon

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Posted January 3, 2020 - 03:24 AM

I just listened to the song. I hope that when you said "almost keeps a consistent tempo through the whole thing" you where referring to the middle section, because that's a MAJOR BPM change. The song is about 83 BPM but it changes to 130 BPM in the middle section. Then it goes back to 83. You should place a tempo marker every four beats for a good tempo map.

I forgot to mention the middle section, but I already had that tempo change taken care of. I was talking about the slower parts. It is about 83, but it sways up and down very slightly. I now do have a marker on every beat (or at least the beats that need them).






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