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#1 Shroud

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Posted March 31, 2019 - 06:05 PM

I apologise if this sounds the dumbest question ever :D I guess the variance is just too large! But don't worry, I'm not looking for one single answer, I am just curious to hear people's different experiences, since I have no idea how long it would ever take ME to do the same.

And yes, I am asking this because eventually I would like to start creating customs myself one day. It's been on my mind since the very first day I got the games only half a year ago, and until I accidentally stumbled on your forum last week I didn't even know it was possible.

Feel free to share your thoughts about how slow or fast the process is for you, and maybe also how different it was at the beginning!

#2 Atruejedi

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Posted March 31, 2019 - 06:29 PM

Total hours, I'd guess 20 to 30 or so for me. But those hours can be spread over the course of weeks or months, and I also give my releases all the bells and whistles: custom venues, dryvox lip sync, etc. Vocal charts take the most time to craft.


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#3 doa

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Posted March 31, 2019 - 06:57 PM

I joined C3 two years ago and I have one completed custom in the database and about 9 bass guitar chart collaborations. I have 5 songs that are work on progress and the main hold up is the tempo mapping. I have tempo mapped them all at least once and some of them 4 or 5 times because I am not happy with them. Now some of those 4 or 5 times were due to me putting Magma in the wrong directory which produced randomized corruption in my customs. - and I didn't know what was wrong. The other thing that is slowing me down is that for some of my customs there are zero musical resources available and the authoring has to be done by ear. On top of that I spend a lot of time on the charts compared to how quickly an experienced author would. I haven't kept track of how much time one custom takes me because I have 5 on the go right now but it takes me probably at least 10 times longer than an experienced author or more, partly due to perfectionism and partly because it just takes me a long time lol. I am overdoing my tempo maps at the moment though since using DoNotPassGo advanced tempo map technique and trying to get my maps much tighter than my first tempo map. One song in particular I feel really needs this and the others are just more tempo map practise. I have done maybe more tempo mapping than charting since Christmas to try to get better. It also depends on what songs you want to chart. My works in progress are challenging me on drums, keys and guitar solos especially. I have to do 2x drums to and some vocal harmonies too I think. Also tempo mapping solo guitar and piano is challenging for me too. But I keep a log of my progress here in the wip thread and update it most days that I am charting. My progress rate is probably three slowest here, but I'm focused on doing the best that I can for each custom that I do.

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#4 akaisenshi

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Posted March 31, 2019 - 07:11 PM

At first for me it could've been anywhere from 20-30 hours to chart all instruments. As I got better, I started being able to complete full-band customs with custom venues and lip-syncing in usually about 14~16 hours or less depending on the song.



#5 IMMCTNTJK

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Posted March 31, 2019 - 08:59 PM

Same with akaisenshi above me except I don’t do custom venues. I’d say the time it takes to do venues it takes me to make diy stems. Of course vocals take the longest at about 1-3 hours with instruments only taking 30 minutes to and hour. The long process includes all the details in the charts and stuff.

It sucks actually, I always want to dedicate time to making them but life gets in the way (yeah, I said it)

#6 FUGGNUTZ

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Posted March 31, 2019 - 11:07 PM

My first custom took me about 15 hours of total work to release. I've spent more time on customs since then. I spent a lot of time working on All I Want for Christmas Is You, for example. Other songs take basically no time. I have an as-of-yet unreleased custom that took me four hours to fully complete.



#7 non_zero

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Posted April 1, 2019 - 04:16 AM

The first time you do it it will take a long time as you figure things out.  Then, as you figure things out you may find that your standards get higher and higher meaning it will still take a long time.

 

I tend to do everything except lower difficulties (which I've recently starting using CAT for), and from start to finish it may take a few weeks of spending a couple hours a day to get something I'm satisfied with.  Then, years later I will look back on it and still find flaws with it.  The point is, nothing's ever perfect.


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#8 AJFOne23

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Posted April 1, 2019 - 09:41 AM

I honestly have no idea because I don't do one at a time. I'm constantly going back and forth depending on which collaborator gets me that sweet sweet guitar chart back. But let's see if I can break it down using a 5 minute song from start to finish.

 

Tempo map: 30-60 minutes

Drums: 90 minutes includes 3-4 reviews after initial charting

Bass - 30-45 minutes

Guitar - 45-60 minutes

Vocals - 60-90 minutes (depends on harmonies and vocal variations)

Keys: 60 minutes

Venue: 90 minutes

 

Average time: 9 hours

 

Now I've been doing this for nearly 5 years so I'm pretty efficient but someone starting out you're going to take possibly twice as long in my estimation. Hope that helps.



#9 seg45

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Posted April 2, 2019 - 09:24 PM

I've never charted a song but recently I've been working on Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence for drums and guitar and it took 2 and a half months as I'm still in school and the song last 42 minutes.
P.S. I'm still debating on whether I should upload it.

#10 IMMCTNTJK

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Posted April 2, 2019 - 09:33 PM

I've never charted a song but recently I've been working on Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence for drums and guitar and it took 2 and a half months as I'm still in school and the song last 42 minutes.
P.S. I'm still debating on whether I should upload it.

If you’re nearing completion, I think you should finish it.

#11 Shroud

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Posted April 5, 2019 - 06:47 AM

I watched the whole pksage's 2-hours video tutorial on authoring customs with Reaper... I can totally see myself spending 50+ hours on a single song there. But it looks like an awesome lot of fun :D I am really looking forward to learning authoring customs one day. I am an (ex-) amateur musician and I have transcribed by ears hundreds of songs on the electric guitar back in the day, so maybe that will help me a little. I also still have lots of music sheet books to check against, these could be really useful for example to pitch vocals.



#12 ghostbyob

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Posted April 10, 2019 - 07:11 AM

I always calculate the time I invested in charting a song, this is in general terms:

 

Song Track:
-BPM: 15 minutes

-Remix: 40 minutes (change details in a lot of cases)
-Count-In: 5 minutes
-Fade-In & Fade-out: 10 minutes

 

Part Guitar:
-Expert: 20 minutes

-Hard: 15 minutes
-Medium: 15 minutes
-Easy: 10 minutes
-LH animation: 15 minutes
-Event animation: 5 minutes

Part Bass:
-Expert: 15 minutes
-Hard, Medium, Easy: 10 minutes

-LH animation: 15 minutes
-Event animation: 5 minutes

Part Drums:
-Expert: 20 minutes
-Hard, medium, Easy: 10 minutes
-Drum animation: 10 minutes
-Event animation: 10 minutes

Part Vocal:
-Pitched notes: 20 minutes
-Lyrics: 40 minutes
-Harmonies: 15 minutes
-Harmonies lyrics: 40 minutes

-Event animation: 5 minutes

-Drivox: 7 minutes
-Harmonies drivox: 2 minutes
 

Part Keys:

-Expert: 10 minutes

-Hard, Medium, Easy: 5 minutes
-Pro Keys Expert: 40 minutes
-Pro Keys Hard, Medium, Easy: 10 minutes
-Event animation: 3 minutes

Events:
-Prc sections: 10 minutes
-Crowd sections: 3 minutes

Venue:
-Cameras: 30 minutes
-Lights: 40 minutes
-PP: 10 minutes

Magma:
-Metadata: 15 minutes
-Details to polish: 30 minutes

In-game:
-Testing: 30 minutes
-Record preview & render: 30 minutes

A total of 10 hours per song in general terms with standard sections


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#13 TheSheepQueen

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Posted April 10, 2019 - 09:44 AM

I usually procrastinate a lot so in the end it comes on around 2 days in total to author a song because I get easily diverted.
The fastest I have done is Chan Chan by Buena Vista Social Club where I purposely timed myself and it took me about 7 hours while being entirely focused on it, and the slowest has been Autobahn, that I have worked on almost everyday from January 3-4 2015 to January 1st 2017.


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#14 RealCheese

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Posted April 10, 2019 - 05:19 PM

Part Vocal:

-Pitched notes: 20 minutes

How!? It literally takes me at least 2-3 hours to do vocal notes for a song, granted I'm doing notes and lyrics simulatenously



#15 Atruejedi

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Posted April 10, 2019 - 09:00 PM

How!? It literally takes me at least 2-3 hours to do vocal notes for a song, granted I'm doing notes and lyrics simulatenously

 

srsly

 

I'd be very interested to see how it playtests when not humming :D


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#16 ghostbyob

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Posted April 10, 2019 - 09:10 PM

How!? It literally takes me at least 2-3 hours to do vocal notes for a song, granted I'm doing notes and lyrics simulatenously

 

I have contributed as a musical composer and music teacher, so once you get used to composing and writing tabs, it's very easy to reinterpret or rewrite any song.

I have worked more than 15 years with music and more than 10 years charting songs.


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#17 ws54

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Posted April 10, 2019 - 11:47 PM

 

I have contributed as a musical composer and music teacher, so once you get used to composing and writing tabs, it's very easy to reinterpret or rewrite any song.

I have worked more than 15 years with music and more than 10 years charting songs.

 

You took a lot of time to reply to the poster, so kudos for that. I just find a lot of those numbers to be unbelievable. Sorry. 

Advice for new authors: triple those numbers and more to arrive at a realistic expectation of the time it will take you.

 

I believe every word of this quote, but add me to the list of people that questions your ability to do a proper vocal chart in 20 minutes.  I once did vocals for an extremely simple song (verse verse chorus verse) in 40 minutes.  Most vocal charts take me 2-4 hours with harmonies and lyrics and then a good play test focused only on vocals.  I've also done this long enough to know that you'd have to be cutting a lot of corners and sacrificing on the quality big time to hit those numbers. I'd love for you to live broadcast your techniques because, if real, it could save us all a lot of time, and I'd be first in line to retract my statements and apologize.



#18 FUGGNUTZ

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Posted April 11, 2019 - 12:50 AM

It depends entirely on the chart, how good you are, and most importantly, how much you trust your own ability. I've done vocals charts in ten minutes before, and I've taken four hours to do them before. Institutionalized took the longest for me because it was all off the beat, so I had to be very precise with my note placement.



#19 Shroud

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Posted April 11, 2019 - 05:49 PM

I didn't even know you had to program the hands animation of the characters... what happens if you don't? Do they stand still, or do they fake some movement that doesn't match the notes?

#20 FUGGNUTZ

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Posted April 11, 2019 - 06:41 PM

Magma will autogenerate them if you leave them blank. On drums, if you add events but add no animation notes, the drummer does this weird pterodactyl thing.




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