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The Rover - Led Zeppelin

Trampled Under Foot - Led Zeppelin

Royal Orleans - Led Zeppelin

----in the future----

japan air - anamanaguchi

helix nebula - anamanaguchi

call on me - eric prydz

my people - the presets

reach for the stars - cash cash

--songs already in the database I'm hoping to full band--

any dethklok songs

hourglass - lamb of god

--tempo mapped--

what a wicked gang are we - streetlight manifesto (if anyone wants to help finish this PM me)

 

 

my kryptonite is pro keys, so if anybody can help me out in that department it would be much appreciated!

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I've been getting REALLY into led zeppelin lately, and I'm planning to chart 3 of their songs pretty soon, as well as some big rhythm updates(likely to also be zeppelin related!).

 

The Rover - Physical Graffiti

Trampled Under Foot - Physical Graffiti

Royal Orleans - Presence

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id be open to collaborating if anyone is interesting in adding pro keys, otherwise I know i just won't be able to do it justice on my own unfortunately.

Just Google for it, there are video tutorials for the keyboard part, and sheet music (these are for sale but the first page is always visible, and 90% of this song is the same as in the first page!). You literally only have to copy the notes from the music sheet to the Reaper track.

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Just Google for it, there are video tutorials for the keyboard part, and sheet music (these are for sale but the first page is always visible, and 90% of this song is the same as in the first page!). You literally only have to copy the notes from the music sheet to the Reaper track.

 

With respect, if it's that easy, you should volunteer to help out ;)

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----in progress----

The Rover - Led Zeppelin

Trampled Under Foot - Led Zeppelin

Royal Orleans - Led Zeppelin

----in the future----

japan air - anamanaguchi

helix nebula - anamanaguchi

call on me - eric prydz

my people - the presets

reach for the stars - cash cash

--songs already in the database I'm hoping to full band--

any dethklok songs

hourglass - lamb of god

--tempo mapped--

what a wicked gang are we - streetlight manifesto (if anyone wants to help finish this PM me)

 

 

my kryptonite is pro keys, so if anybody can help me out in that department it would be much appreciated!

I have an advanced tempo map of The Rover and Trampled Under Foot!

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With respect, if it's that easy, you should volunteer to help out ;)

I can, but I don't understand why couldn't the main author. Charting pro keys by ear is another matter, but why would someone not want to try, when you are lucky to have such material available?

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I can, but I don't understand why couldn't the main author. Charting pro keys by ear is another matter, but why would someone not want to try, when you are lucky to have such material available?

 

As an author who has used MIDIs to make pro keys parts before, I can tell you it isn't that simple. If you just "paste it in," it isn't going to be very good. If you try it yourself, you'll find out.

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As an author who has used MIDIs to make pro keys literally any parts of any song ever before, I can tell you it isn't that simple. If you just "paste it in," it isn't going to be very good. If you try it yourself, you'll find out.

there. fixed it. ;-)

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As an author who has used MIDIs to make pro keys parts before, I can tell you it isn't that simple. If you just "paste it in," it isn't going to be very good. If you try it yourself, you'll find out.

In fact, I did not suggest using MIDI :)

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Then that's even more work...

 

If you have a keyboard music sheet available, the work is first reading from the sheet and copying the notes into the Reaper track, and then removing or wrapping notes to fit the RB keyboard range. The music sheet already tells you the correct notes pitch, timing and duration! Unless someone doesn't even know how to read the symbols from a music score (which can be learned in an hour) it is not hard work.

 

I find it harder to make the guitar chart by ear, because you have to figure out the notes exact timing, you have to come up with a choice of chords that makes sense, carefully listen to strumming pattern variations, wrap all riff and solo notes into only 5 lanes, all while keeping all of your choices consistent throughout the whole songs. It requires more decision-making than transcribing ProKeys from a music sheet.

 

The difficulties of charting ProKeys (and main vocals, for what matters) are generally overrated.

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If you have a keyboard music sheet available, the work is first reading from the sheet and copying the notes into the Reaper track, and then removing or wrapping notes to fit the RB keyboard range. The music sheet already tells you the correct notes pitch, timing and duration! Unless someone doesn't even know how to read the symbols from a music score (which can be learned in an hour) it is not hard work.

 

I find it harder to make the guitar chart by ear, because you have to figure out the notes exact timing, you have to come up with a choice of chords that makes sense, carefully listen to strumming pattern variations, wrap all riff and solo notes into only 5 lanes, all while keeping all of your choices consistent throughout the whole songs. It requires more decision-making than transcribing ProKeys from a music sheet.

 

The difficulties of charting ProKeys (and main vocals, for what matters) are generally overrated.

If I send you a song to do pro keys for, can you author it and time yourself?

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If I send you a song to do pro keys for, can you author it and time yourself?

 

Haven't you already? "My Melancholy Blues" is still waiting in your inbox ;) (although to be fair, this was not a full charting task, but rather a review & adjustment of an existing draft, so it shouldn't count)

 

But really, I am only trying to be encouraging here... I have only done 5 customs so far, so I am definitely NOT an expert charter, and yet I did Pro Keys for all of them. Of course it is possible that all my Pro Keys charts suck, and I certainly would like people to let me know that, but my point is... if I can do it, then everybody can!

 

So here's some more details to share from my little experience, in hope it can help against the common idea that charting Pro Keys is too difficult to even bother trying, although of course charting Pro Keys by ear is definitely VERY difficult, but here we're talking about a lucky song for which some reference material exists.

 

I charted Pro Keys for Jamiroquai "Cosmic Girl" using a music sheet I randomly find on the web. The keyboard have 4-notes chords in a challenging rhythm pattern, plus several fast fills. I didn't time myself, but if I definitely did the expert chart in no more than ~1.5 hours: all I had to do was reading notes from the sheet and "copy" them into the midi, because the sheet gave me all the pitches/timing/durations already. Probably it took me another couple of hours to make manual reductions. I did 5-lane keys and their reductions on different days so it's hard to tell but I think altogether it took me even more than Pro Keys because cramming everything into only 5 gems requires lots of decisions (making 5-lane keys is in fact at the moment what I hate most, and the fact it is probably the least-played instrument doesn't help motivation). I didn't have CAT at that time, which can speed up things a lot by partially automating reductions. It was also my first custom, so consider some time wasted in trivial mistakes.

 

Instead, for Annie Lennox "Walking on Broken Glass" I didn't use a music sheet, but there were 2 piano tutorial videos on youtube. The song has a piano riff that is essential to it but it's always the same, and this makes it very similar to Trampled Underfoot; in other sections, the keyboard (strings) plays a chords riff, but this was even simpler. The riffs needed some small adjustments for our limited keyboard range, so I spent maybe an hour watching and comparing the 2 videos, and testing options on the piano. Then copying the riffs into the midi was maybe a 20 minutes job, because fortunately they stay the same throughout the song so it was just copy-pasting after you get the first instance right. There were however some additional keyboard sections that I had to figure out by ears, these were mostly smaller chords and single notes but still took me at least another hour to try and get the notes by trial-and-error with Reaper synth. So altogether expert must have been ~2.5 hours, then again reductions and 5-lane.

 

For the other customs I made, I charted pro keys by ear, so they are beyond the point here.

 

I am not trying to claim that ANY keyboard chart is as easy as other instruments. A piano part (or Jon Lord's hammond organ!) will certainly be a true nightmare to chart by ear, no doubt!!! What I am trying to say, is that if there is a music sheet or at least a video tutorial for a custom you're making, that's a blessing! And it is worth being positive about at least trying to chart Pro Keys when those are available.

 

Edit: with specific regard to Trampled Underfoot, I think I have now watched all the available YT videos but they are NOT useful (only one of them is good but it's just real-time playing, not a tutorial, so it's very hard to follow which notes are being played esp. in the solo)

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