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#1 Farottone

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Posted April 11, 2018 - 01:25 PM

We always credit work of the original author for any song that is converted from another format. However, some charters might want to prevent people from converting their charts and sharing them even if credited. Here is an updated list of those charters, we will update it as soon as other charters ask us to do that:

 

- gabepls

- siavash (April 11th 2018)

 

 

As a general rule, make sure you request this before your content is converted (simply by asking not to be included in any conversion) or in a timely fashion after the content has been shared, otherwise we'll assume you are fine with it. Make also sure you ask the same to any other user converting your content, otherwise we'll assume there is no bona fide intention of protecting your work.

 

Final note: before you ask for removal of your content, consider that less people will be able to enjoy it and that people spent time trying to deliver your content to more people. If you wish you to take over conversions of your content yourself you are more than welcome to ask the user who converted your content to take down their version if you upload your own.



#2 beard216

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Posted April 11, 2018 - 01:39 PM

Gotta love that every time there is an issue, its usually because of me. I agree with farottone on the timely manner issue, seeing how I posted those tracks literally half a year ago. I have my own opinions of why gaeb is having me take them down, but I will not post that here.

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#3 gaebpls

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Posted April 11, 2018 - 02:03 PM

I have my own opinions of why gaeb is having me take them down, but I will not post that here.

 

Please, go right ahead.



#4 Farottone

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Posted April 11, 2018 - 02:23 PM

This isn't supposed to be a thread to fight, so please let's keep it clean. As a community we have chosen to let anyone share our content provided that they credit us, and that is true for 14k+ songs and dozens of authors. Not everyone feels like that though and even though it never happened once in 5 years, we pride ourselves of being fair and respectful of people's work so if asked we should act accordingly.



#5 siavash

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Posted April 11, 2018 - 02:41 PM

So while were at it, I guess Id like my name added to that list. Whats done is done, and I dont expect Beard or anyone else to retroactively delete any conversions already in the database, but moving forward Id appreciate it if my charts werent converted here. When my charts get converted, the charts always inevitably get changed in some way, whether that be the loss of slider notes or the removal of open notes, and Id much rather prefer people play my charts the way they were intended.

If someone really really wants to play something of mine, its become very easy to do conversions, and that person can download my chart straight from the source and do the conversion themselves. But when people make conversions and release them, assuming Ive been given credit in some way, then I have no control over the end product, and a botched conversion can reflect poorly on me rather than the converter.

This also goes for Anti Hero and any future Anti Hero setlists organized in part by myself, unless express permission is received from the charter in question.

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Posted April 11, 2018 - 05:09 PM

I convert these charts to play in derived games since I do not have the RB3 and nor compatible consoles. and I say more, I dare to modify some of them, either to add parts or to correct them but I do not share the changes with anyone, unless the author of the original chart authorizes. I have some finished projects but I do not know how to use the tools previously available (except for C3ConTools and MagmaC3) since the .con format is required in the files.  :shobon:


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#7 beard216

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Posted April 11, 2018 - 05:14 PM

So while were at it, I guess Id like my name added to that list. Whats done is done, and I dont expect Beard or anyone else to retroactively delete any conversions already in the database, but moving forward Id appreciate it if my charts werent converted here. When my charts get converted, the charts always inevitably get changed in some way, whether that be the loss of slider notes or the removal of open notes, and Id much rather prefer people play my charts the way they were intended.

If someone really really wants to play something of mine, its become very easy to do conversions, and that person can download my chart straight from the source and do the conversion themselves. But when people make conversions and release them, assuming Ive been given credit in some way, then I have no control over the end product, and a botched conversion can reflect poorly on me rather than the converter.

This also goes for Anti Hero and any future Anti Hero setlists organized in part by myself, unless express permission is received from the charter in question.

Noted, thanks for the great charts Siavash! \,,/ 


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#8 mb1nightmare

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Posted April 11, 2018 - 08:36 PM

It's kinda sad that a post with such a title had to exist but I guess Farottone said it all with his final note


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#9 raynebc

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Posted April 11, 2018 - 08:55 PM

Back in the old days on the FoF forum, it was considered proper etiquette to at least try to obtain the charter's permission before posting/converting/altering a chart. At the very least, care should be taken to avoid any significant loss of content or accuracy when converting a chart.

#10 Farottone

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Posted April 11, 2018 - 10:06 PM

Back in the old days on the FoF forum, it was considered proper etiquette to at least try to obtain the charter's permission before posting/converting/altering a chart. At the very least, care should be taken to avoid any significant loss of content or accuracy when converting a chart.

 

Considering the entirety of our production has been week after week converted without even telling us by the same community that is taking issue now with old conversions, I'd say it's pretty clear where the moral high ground lies, so let's not make this into the opposite of what it is.



#11 raynebc

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Posted April 11, 2018 - 10:36 PM

I haven't been following the situation closely, but if that's the case it's hard to justify getting very upset over it.

#12 Farottone

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Posted April 12, 2018 - 10:06 AM

I get that, but on the other hand: I've been in this community doing charts long enough to say that if someone really would move on from converting, just because they didn't get an answer right away, it's probably for the better. Honestly, if a charter doesn't respond after a certain amount of time, of course it is safe to assume that they are inactive. But most charters whose charts were converted weren't even asked in the first place, that's what I'm about.


I have no idea how anyone can think that it's better if we have one less song available just because of timing to be honest but obviosly I respect your position. The whole point however is that we are discussing a non-issue. We are not starting a policy of conversion today and things are rough, we have started doing this years ago and everyone was and is happy. We even had a number of authors come into our community by way of seeing their content made available for RB3. Not once in 5 years any single charter/author lamented anything. You can understand that I was susprised to learn that all of a sudden anyone would be upset that a third party did the job for them to share their content on another platform because this never happened in 5 years but as I said we're happy to comply.

An added note is regarding the whole concept of authoring content. Every single charter/author takes commercial copyrighted content from a third party without asking for any permisson (which would not be granted, by the way). This is true for 99.999% of the songs authored and as far as I know only selected authors from the C3 community actually contact artists to get permission and stems. Now, I have to say again I'm baffled by the fact that in that same context some of those same charters/authors have a problem with their content being simply translated to another platform: if they applied the "ask before charting" policy themselves, no song would ever get done.

 

I would understand and actually support authors who say "Hey, let me upload MY conversions with MY name attached to them in the DB". That would be wonderful and we have encouraged that for years: that's how people like NSW, kueller, etc. got into the community and how a bunch of legacy charters started doing more songs because of the popularity of the RB3 medium. We have C3U that gives you personal stats, author of the day, most downloaded songs, etc., all for free for authors who join the platform. But that's not what happened. What happened was that suddenly (you can see that I'm hinting that this might not be an entirely spontaneous process) some charters are saying "I don't want my songs available for RB3". And clearly I'm not talking about you, I'm only explaining what's going on. Again, ok, it's these charters' prerogative, but let's not pick on the mechanics of a community that rejuvenated the customs world, built tools for development, spotlighted dozens of great authors and brought their content to mainstream players.

 

We had our own official releases repackaged a number of times: the only times we said anything was to ask people to link directly to our Web site so authors could get stats. And when the CH community lifted most of your DB and converted without even a single admin sending a message to tell us about it we discussed the matter internally and said "it's ok, the more people can see our content, the better". We even had songs release for a charity event taken, edited, re-released without any mention of the charity itself from a member of the CH community. And still we let it go. So, in short, if anyone wants to not be featured in RB3 unless somebody asks nicely first, please tell us and the name will be added to the "no-touching" list above. Anything else is not terribly compelling.



#13 gaebpls

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Posted April 12, 2018 - 11:06 AM

 

Considering the entirety of our production has been week after week converted without even telling us by the same community that is taking issue now with old conversions

 

For the record, I really oppose those conversions and have no association whatsoever with the people who do those, so I'm with you on that.



#14 Farottone

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Posted April 12, 2018 - 11:53 AM

 

For the record, I really oppose those conversions and have no association whatsoever with the people who do those, so I'm with you on that.

 

You're not really with me on that because I'm fine with those, but I get your point. :) What I did say when I had a long chat about the future of CH and C3 with CH creator and admins was that I would have rather our own conversions to CH be hosted in our DB, should the authors decide to do those conversions. That's I think a not only reasonable but the right thing to do: if you convert your own content to RB3, it's you who should release and share that content, not someone who converted it. Having no content for RB3 at all? I guess it's your prerogative, hence this list.



#15 pumpkinpie

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Posted April 12, 2018 - 03:02 PM


An added note is regarding the whole concept of authoring content. Every single charter/author takes commercial copyrighted content from a third party without asking for any permisson (which would not be granted, by the way). This is true for 99.999% of the songs authored and as far as I know only selected authors from the C3 community actually contact artists to get permission and stems. Now, I have to say again I'm baffled by the fact that in that same context some of those same charters/authors have a problem with their content being simply translated to another platform: if they applied the "ask before charting" policy themselves, no song would ever get done.

 

 

Thank you for mentioning this Farottone - I was going to say something similar but I think you said it the best !



#16 siavash

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Posted April 12, 2018 - 05:03 PM

I will say this: my reason for wanting to be added on the list has everything to do with crossover between C3 and the CH community. If the C3->CH conversions come to an end, I'd be glad to have my name removed from the list. When I have to explain to streamers why "my" chart doesn't have slider notes or why they have duplicates of my chart, it gets frustrating. I don't play RB3 customs and I don't think I ever will be able to, which means I'll never author my charts with C3 in mind, which is why I've given Beard permission in the past to do as he wishes with converting my charts back when I was just charting for Phase Shift. 



#17 kueller

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Posted April 18, 2018 - 10:49 PM

I would understand and actually support authors who say "Hey, let me upload MY conversions with MY name attached to them in the DB". That would be wonderful and we have encouraged that for years: that's how people like NSW, kueller, etc. got into the community


Would like to clarify a bit since I just read this. While personal control (and ego) was certainly a factor the primary reason for me joining C3 was a lack of people like beard converting charts. I put a note on my FoF page for anyone to convert to RB if they wanted. After a year (more or less) I had a grand total of one regular contributor, one official C3 release based off my chart, and one that I was never told about (but was credited so it's all good). It was too slow for me, so I went to the Authoring subforum and took it into my own hands.

I wholeheartedly appreciate anyone putting in the effort to get my own work more attention so long as I get some acknowledgment. My biggest regret to not participating in C3 earlier was that I missed out on years of being able to share my releases with a wider audience.
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#18 Farottone

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Posted April 18, 2018 - 11:11 PM

I wholeheartedly appreciate anyone putting in the effort to get my own work more attention so long as I get some acknowledgment. My biggest regret to not participating in C3 earlier was that I missed out on years of being able to share my releases with a wider audience.

 

And we would have loved to have you sooner for sure.



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Posted April 19, 2018 - 04:01 AM

Would like to clarify a bit since I just read this. While personal control (and ego) was certainly a factor the primary reason for me joining C3 was a lack of people like beard converting charts. I put a note on my FoF page for anyone to convert to RB if they wanted. After a year (more or less) I had a grand total of one regular contributor, one official C3 release based off my chart, and one that I was never told about (but was credited so it's all good). It was too slow for me, so I went to the Authoring subforum and took it into my own hands.

I wholeheartedly appreciate anyone putting in the effort to get my own work more attention so long as I get some acknowledgment. My biggest regret to not participating in C3 earlier was that I missed out on years of being able to share my releases with a wider audience.

 

So glad you joined the party  :excited:



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Posted August 2, 2018 - 06:44 PM

Can you add "xEntombmentx" to the list? I reached out and since rb3 doesn't use certain things CH does, he doesn't want his charts converted. 


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