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We have noticed that lately some users have come to instantly one-star or two-star perfectly fine songs supposedly for some beef they have with the authors. Now, that is just sad and generally dishonest, and in another forum this would have probably led to suspensions or bans. However, as you probably know we don't like to come down very hard on users so we've opted for a different take on this.

 

In this thread we will routinely post new 1 star or 2 star votes with name of the user that gave the song the low score and the song. If you have genuinely downloaded a song that is so badly put together that deserves not only a vote from you to let other users know something but a score as low as 1 or 2 stars, please comment here so we will whitelist that song. This way we will have very bad customs properly tagged. On the other hand, if you 1-star or 2-star songs with no reason, you will be first listed here with a chance to change your vote. If you don't, you will remain on this Wall of Fame and you will be suspended for a number of days based on recidivity. And of course we will change the vote for the song, because the original authors work countless hours to give away for free amazing content and reviews of their work should be honest and truthful.

 

Now, we will not post the current list right now, we will post it December Tuesday 27th, so if you feel like you have been naughty and want to avoid being listed here, go back and change your vote.

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We are still deciding on what to do, they're all tests for now.

Damn. Literally the first thing I do when I see something new that people clearly put a lot of time and effort into is to exploit it.

Sounds good. What about an indicative guide to what the review scores mean? We can then aim for consistency across the forum.

 

Something like the following but better and more targetted to giving feedback to the authors and potential downloaders.

 

5 = flawless!

4 = really good but minor grief with x thing

3 = playable but not very accurate

etc

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Sounds good. What about an indicative guide to what the review scores mean? We can then aim for consistency across the forum.

 

Something like the following but better and more targetted to giving feedback to the authors and potential downloaders.

 

5 = flawless!

4 = really good but minor grief with x thing

3 = playable but not very accurate

etc

 

Believe me, from the logs, whoever rates this low just clicks on series of songs based on authors or things like that, not a matter of not understanding a ratio. Plus, as I said, it's fine to 1-star a song, actually it's good to know a song is basically unplayable, it's just a matter of stopping people from harming authors who provide good content. ;)

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Is there any way to see what you've rated a song, or what songs you have rated? I don't remember specifically giving anything a low rating, but suddenly I'm paranoid that somewhere in that huge list I may have given something a 1 or 2 once.

 

You can't check. Once the list is out you can look at it and go back to change it if you want.

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to be honest, It will be the same..

some people rating the songs just for the band, author, etc..

to me, the best way is delete the rating system and the direct link

making the user access to the song data, links, comments, previews, whatever.

 

the song will have a true number about how many people are interested on the chart.

(views/downloads)

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Believe me, from the logs, whoever rates this low just clicks on series of songs based on authors or things like that, not a matter of not understanding a ratio. Plus, as I said, it's fine to 1-star a song, actually it's good to know a song is basically unplayable, it's just a matter of stopping people from harming authors who provide good content. ;)

Fully get this, and if it's simply (sounds more reductive than it's meant to be) a way to name and shame people to stop auto one starring then that's fine. But a guide might be useful for something as subjective as charting a song in Rock Band. I'm just a punter not an author and wouldn't dream of marking a chart down because I didn't like it or I didn't feel it was fun. But I would review something highly if I played it and loved it.

 

I've mentioned this thought a couple of times over the forum in the last couple of months and so won't beat the drum again. It's only really come to mind because I'm giving all the tracks in my own game reviews so it's something that's in my thoughts at the moment. Basically it's: song I love + really fun chart = 5, song I like or love + good / fun chart = 4. 3s are for meh but don't really want to play that often. I don't bother with 2s and go straight to 1s for things I don't want to play again.

 

Needless to say it's 90% 4s, 5% 5s and the rest at 3s and 1s. :)

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I think the rating system is useless, and so do our users who don't use it. Problem is, the few songs that get targeted stand out, because no vote means nobody cared enough either way, but 1 star means people cared enough to tell you it basically doesn't work. If we ever employ a proper system, we will come up with a guide, absolutely.

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For fairness, I would like to request a pass on the people that dumped sh*t on some of the Zappa customs me and AJFOne did where there were problems with the guitar.

 

Forced strumming was abound on a number of those, and that was my fault. I'm still in the process of fixing them, hopefully they'll be done soon.

 

EDIT: This started around when Society Pages Suite, or Watermelon In Easter Hay, was released and ended after Inca Roads.

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For fairness, I would like to request a pass on the people that dumped sh*t on some of the Zappa customs me and AJFOne did where there were problems with the guitar.

 

Forced strumming was abound on a number of those, and that was my fault. I'm still in the process of fixing them, hopefully they'll be done soon.

 

Everyone will have a chance to state whatever they found, of course. But as I said, from the logs the pattern is clear...

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I don't envy the job you have to do here Farottone but I appreciate that you are fair and logical with your approach to moderation.

I cannot imagine being so annoyed at seeing a particular artist/song/author that I'd then want to give them a poor rating as a form of weak punishment. I thought we were all here to help each other?

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I 1-starred the Gary Glitter songs because of the artist; nothing against the authors who worked on the songs, I just dislike that dude's actions from after his music got big.

 

I also 1-starred a custom of "Guilty All the Same" by Linkin Park, that just seemed unplayable and inaccurate.

 

I don't remember one-starring anything else, though if I did it was due to chart quality; Gary Glitter was the only time I did otherwise.

 

My main concern is those who are innocent, who have only one-starred a few songs, and yet will be publicly shamed if they don't already publicly disclose what they've done. Some people don't visit the forum too often, may never see this thread, and then wonder why they may be getting upset messages from authors who's songs they one-starred, but were too shy or worried about hurt feelings to disclose why. Or maybe someone forgets they one-starred anything, until it's too late and it goes onto the list, and now they're getting flamed for it.

 

I'd say maybe disclose the names of those who seem to excessively rate things 1-star, as opposed to every single person who's 1-star rated anything. Unless that's already to the plan, and I misinterpreted the OP.

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I'd say maybe disclose the names of those who seem to excessively rate things 1-star, as opposed to every single person who's 1-star rated anything. Unless that's already to the plan, and I misinterpreted the OP.

 

Yes, we're probably gonna do a bit of filtering. The stars are there to tell people about the quality of the song, not to underscore what we already agree on, which is abusers should rot in prison. People who don't want to play a song by an artist they don't like don't need no information on the quality of the song; people who care only about the song don't need to think the song is broken.

 

To be clear, this process has not started because of any 1-starring of my songs. I've had at least 3 people in the last month complain about this and it's time we curb it.

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I probably gave 1/2 stars ratings 5 times in dB (or less, from which I remember). And I clearly remember 3 cases:

1 - A song with a stretched cover art (already removed from dB).

 

2 - A song with issues that i've addressed but looks like the author is not willing to do the fixes.

 

3 - A song which I'm involved but the release has serious issues. I'm helping doing the fixes and that song will probably be updated next week.

 

I'm not feeling like I have been naughty but I wouldn't be surprised if I see myself in this Wall of Fame! LOL

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I 1-starred the Gary Glitter songs because of the artist; nothing against the authors who worked on the songs, I just dislike that dude's actions from after his music got big.

 

Respectfully I don't think that's fair. If I were to see a song of mine one-starred I'd think "oh it must have been really bad what did I screw up" and I'd spend time scouring the chart figuring out what went wrong because I want to bring C3 top-quality content. When I see anything less than five stars I feel bad. Which is why I firmly believe the rating system should be based on the chart itself, not personal opinion.

 

If you don't like the artist, comment on the thread or the custom or whatever or even better, just grit your teeth and move on.

 

Edit: Farottone beat me to the punch by the time I finished typing this. Stop typing faster please.

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There's something sort of related to this that I'm guilty of, actually. There's a song that Nunchuck posted in the database that received either a 1 or 2 star rating that I thought was pretty unjustified, so I rated it 5 stars to compensate. I don't even remember the song, but it's on record, probably, unless reviews for songs that you're listed as a contributing author for don't count and it was changed back. Obviously not a great thing to do, so my apologies for doing it.

 

Also, I don't think that I've rated anything 1 stars, but in case I did, I'm ready to be publicly shamed.

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I don't often weigh in on these discussions.

 

This is the best forum I have ever been apart of in my many years on the net. The people who run it are the most fair, easy going moderators I have ever seen. I have witnessed all of the discussions over the last 3 years & they handle each case with the same easy going but straight forward rules. The odd time the user will get a blunt reply or temporary ban.

After dealing with the same stupid requests or posts like "help me cause I am to lazy to do my own research" etc there is not one of us that could do their non paying job that wouldn't do the same as well.

Through all that this site remains as strong as ever.

 

The custom rating system is somewhat flawed but I am sure Farottone & crew will solve it one way or another.

The funny thing is about 95% of the songs I have done that people rated got a 5 star rating & most have UNpitched vocals, go figure!!

The ones that are lower rated deserve it cause I did things a little different, "Harmonica on guitar" or they were just plain shitty work by me.

 

It definitely wasn't designed so people could play their childish games or for people who don't like the artist or song to rate the song low.

I think it was designed to let authors know what people thought of their actual charts.

It kind of ties in to the feedback people give on an authors thread, I have read many times, authors don't like feedback. That's hogwash, they do, but saying things like the artist is a perv, should be in jail, the song sucks, the artist sucks, why did you chart song A when song B is clearly better? etc is not feedback, that's an opinion.

 

Feed back for me is things like, its out of sync, overcharted, undercharted, the notes are off grid, the audio is terrible, spelling & lyric mistakes etc that get by the author/testers.

 

I am wondering if something like the Ebay buyer feedback system could be added to the rating system, if you click to rate the song you must leave a short feedback as to why you rate it lower than a 3. It could be a set list of choices in a drop down menu.

This would separate the people who use it the way it was intended from those who can rate a song low anonymously & out of spite.

 

I like the idea of the hall of fame with filters applied as Farottone mentioned, as it will out the constant abusers of the system. I am pretty sure those who do the odd low rating won't be shamed.

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Not to try and turn this into a suggestion thread, but maybe a tagging system would be helpful.

 

After rating a song low, you could tag what you found troubling about it.

 

Expert GBD not charted well

Vocals pitched incorrectly

Lower difficulties not charted accurately

Audio/Tempo sync issues

Incorrect Metadata

Missing OD sections

Poor Audio Quality

 

I dunno considering the custom page templates are pretty incomplete and haven't been updated in ages I'm guessing more additions are out of the picture. Just spitballing here.

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